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Originally Posted by Christ4Life
This is one thing I don't understand. If the dollar drops to the point of being useful as toilet paper, then what are you going to get when you sell the gold? I don't understand the value of having gold when you can't use it at stores .  |
Those are excellent questions. Gold and silver may help for a short season, but I have never heard someone ask "I don't understand the value of having gold when you can't use it at stores."
Under martial law, can we TRUST the authorities to allow gold and silver trading for goods at the marketplace? They are already monitoring precious metal sales by the dealers. I had a dream last weeek about this that I did not think about till I read this thread. In the dream, gold and silver had become worthless, and it was sudden. 
How do those of us "lay up in store" against our need of provision according to Paul? Oh the goodness and harmony of the Word! -The promises of God are sure, they are the Rock we stand on if we will put our trust and faith in what he said.
"Give and it SHALL be GIVEN UNTO you" and, "... my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus" , tell us,
and this:
2Cor 8:14 that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:
Giving was meant for meeting the needs of the brethren, not the weekly plate, a ministers salary, supplying funding for sound systems, parking lots, and a mortgage. If you have faith in what God said, you have access to the promises of Gods' provision in heaven where there is an endless supply.
A friend wrote me this about a discussion HE had with another Christian:
"Jesus commands us to store up for ourselves treasures in heaven where neither moth nor rust corrupts.
I said, "Amen! That's the answer to the question many of God's people are starting to ask more and more - 'Should I be storing up food for tough times ahead?' Jesus commanded us not to store up anything on earth, but to store up heavenly treasures that will always be there when we need it .
The friend said "I think it is wise to store up some food, especially dry goods that don't spoil, just in case."
I replied, "If we store up on earth, then what Jesus said would happen will happen - the thief will break in and steal what we store up on earth.
For instance, the thief could be a sickness that puts you in the hospital and costs you more than you have saved up. People who store up on earth just in case things go wrong are planning for a rainy day instead of trusting God to keep them from ever encountering such a day."
He asked, "So, if you had children who want to go to college, would you save up for them to go to college?"
I was too quick to speak, (I said, "Yes,") and he asked, "Doesn't that contradict what you just said?") and eventually, I said, "There has to be an answer to that question, because Jesus commanded us not to store up on earth, but He also commanded us not to borrow on credit."
After that, I asked him how he feels about insurance. He thought for a while before answering, "I don't know how to answer that, because I don't have children, and my parents have plenty of money if I should die, but I think if I had kids or if my parents were not able to afford the financial responsibility of my death, it would be wise to get insurance. But then again, God gives us everything we need, so I don't know."
I replied, "Well, no matter how circumstances turn out, we know that PHP. 4:19 promises, 'My God shall supply all your needs according to His riches.' Those who believe that promise can testify that they had a need, and God sent someone to them who said, 'God told me to give this to you' - miracles like that."
He agreed, but maintained, "Yeah, but I think it would be wise if someone has children." I could not sway him, though I cited the Israelites who drank the sweet waters after they had been changed from bitter to sweet, and water from a rock, and ate manna from heaven.
I mentioned that God did let the Israelites take a store of goods with them from Egypt, even causing the Egyptians to give them articles of gold and silver, but God brought them through the wilderness for the purpose of running them out of their "storehouse" before He could teach them to trust Him to feed them manna from heaven.
He began to really agree after I said, "God's people often have a difficult time stepping out of their comfort zone. "
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My comment (rory) back to him was:
That is true, also the fact in "church" we did not have role models walking in and obtaining those promises, as the scripture says:
Heb 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Friends, God wants our faith and He is about to push the church into a wilderness, and a position of weakness, in order for us to be purged of our worldly dependence and finally learn how to live the faith that Jesus and the disciples role modeled for us.
This is reason to store up the Word (God's manna) in our hearts (His barns) in order to exercise faith in His promises which never fail, nor do thieves break in and steal. We store up our treasures in heaven by meeting the needs of others and giving to the poor, according to a multitude of scriptures. Therefore in the day of our own need, we may access God's promises to feed and cloth us without becoming anxious.
"The just SHALL LIVE by faith"
The real messsage of Joseph is that our Joseph, who is Jesus, has more than the world can ever supply whether it be food, healing, or whatever need we have. When the people in Egypt ran out of money, goods to exchange, and became totaly surrendered, then Joseph supplied their needs and they lived.
The sellors of survival food and gear are not trusting in the faith of God, they are trusting in their own ability, just like the foolish rich man in the story Jesus told. Whose report will you believe?
Jesus once told a story of a man who trusted in making his own preparations by building bigger barns and storing up his goods and a food supply. Perhaps he believed he could "rest" from his own labors and sell from his abundance thus providing for others and assuring his own wealth as well. He probably thought he was being wise in planning out his retirement and assuring himself of security with his "insurance" of a full barn. In the passage, the Lord did not commend him for being "wise" in Luke 12:
